OCF Board of Directors Meeting Thursday, 4 March 2004

BoD For Tonight: eleen - present jkit - present elliot - present adrian - absent (1st) yehfang - absent (1st) rahat - absent (1st) hkim - present akamike - present phlee - present kainsenl - present

members total: 10

members required for quorum: 7

members present: 7

Quorum achieved!

Attendance: name - login

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jimmy - jkit eleen - eleen mike - akamike shiva - shivab kaisen - kaisenl hugh - huiran elliot - elliot george - geo joydip - joydip patrick - phlee harry - hkim devin - jones

Present but not on BoD: shivab geo huiran joydip jones

BoD For Next Meeting: eleen jkit elliot adrian - 1 absence yehfang - 1 absence rahat - 1 absence hkim akamike phlee kaisenl

members total: 10

required for quorum: 7

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Introductions: name, login, pizza preferences and misc. info

jimmy - jkit likes chicken, sundried tomatoes and mushrooms jimmy is the site manager

eleen - eleen general manager handles money stuff social stuff people stuff likes the same thing.

mike - akamike (login soon to be leemike) likes anything in terms of pizza

shiva - shivab a vegetarian but is okay with chicken

kaisen - kaisenl doesn't care

hugh - huiran Found about ocf b/c he's a websmaster for two clubs 3rd year cogsci major he's in 188 wants to join staff likes whatever kind of pizza

elliot - elliot likes anything, suggests pesto for the heck of it.

george - geo anything except anchovies and olives

joydip - joydip likes any kind of pizza

patrick - phlee anything with meat no vegetables!

harry - hkim anything's fine

devin - jones he likes chicken and sundried tomatoes

ORDERING PIZZA Jimmy would like to point out that sun dried tomatoes are a fruit and mushrooms are a fungus

GM MESSAGE - Not much! - We have money in our miscellaneous fund, which the fund that we get to keepforever; they won't take it away. - $600 - because Fuller bought some Dells from us. We put the money in our misc. fund

ASUC FUNDING INFO - ASUC gives us money for specific purposes; our usage of it is restricted. (Specifically not food or socials) - We bought Dells with this fund. - We have another fund called miscellaneous. We can use this for anything.

FUNDRAISING It is good

T-SHIRTS - Do it? - Does anyone know how to make t-shirts? No. - T-shirt designs - It's cooler if one of us does it. - T-shirt contest?

SM MESSAGE - Jimmy changed keyboard on one of windows machines b/c it was broken - Locked down (old kbd). - Old keyboard is on top of tower.

NEW BUSINESS - STAFF STUFF - Wiki is updated - Account creation is updated - Individual accounts - Group accounts - Logins - 50% of characters have to be from real name - we recommend that they are in order but are not strict. - use your judgment.

- Making new accounts
    - fist them first

- Changing passwords
    - make sure they actually know their login.
        - use fist.

- Synching Windows Passwords    
    - To do this, log user in question on to:
        - hurricane.ocf.berkeley.edu
    - Refer users to password people  if it doesn't work.
        - (see http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/staff_hours
        to find out who password people are)
- Getting sudo access
    - ask GM or SM if you want to sudo

• JSP

  • Are we supporting it?
    • jjlin says no
      • worried about resources
    • Temporarily might be okay, but long term has to be brought up at Bod?
  • What does this involve?
    • Install tomcat on webserver
  • Pros and cons?
    • Pros
      • supports jsp
    • Cons
      • takes up a lot of resources, depending upon

      of users using JSP.

      • Shivab says:
        • JSP only issues 1 thread for each process, and doesn't spawn a lot of processes.
        • not a lot of people use JSP
  • More Performance Details
    • JSP has a performance advantage with larger or frequently used programs b/c it's compiled instead of interpreted each time
  • What is it?
    • It's a scripting language, like ASP, PHP.
  • What does it do?
    • Runs java servletts
      • server side computing
  • Human issues
    • Would we have to provide tech support for people programming in JSP?
      • We don't particularly know much about it.
  • Security
    • Not a significantly more insecure than other scripting language servers.
  • Can you install the server on your own account?
    • Should be doable?
    • Except problems with talking to Apache?
      • Apache needs to register tomcat services
  • Conclusion:
    • jkit: talk with jeremy, if it's okay with him, feel free.

• PROFILES AND GHOSTING

  • Windows profiles are the settings for your windows.
    • Those profiles are stored on supernova, which is a unix box.
  • Supernova
    • unix file systems need inodes.
    • supernova's out of inodes.
    • We don't know what to do.
  • Background question:
    • When/where is the # of inodes set?
  • Possible solutions
    • Set up a samba server on another machine?
      • akamike: I've done it at home, but not securely.
      • jkit: You wouldn't be doing it by yourself.
    • Move windows profiles to home directories on death?
      • If we moved profiles to death, it would just transfer the issue to death.
      • Why are windows profiles on a different machine from main server in the first place?
        • fact that they're on death suggests someone had a reason for the separation at some point in time
    • Other solutions: getting more disk
      • jones recommends: buy a really big hard disk running an operating system/filesystem that can handle a lot of little files
        • ex: xfs, razorfs
    • Filesystem change
      • What filesystem are we running?
      • If we upgraded it, would it solve the problem?
      • Is it possible to convert file systems?
    • Delete files
      • Look at internet explorer caches?
        • Each one may have thousands of small files.
        • Disable IE cache
          • it's possible to disable cache globally but realistically it's difficult to change all the settings for everything (e.g. all browsers on all computers)
        • deletion:
          • make a cron job to delete temp internet files daily
      • Clear inactive accounts?
    • Quotas
      • It is possible to set inode quotas.
      • But users probably won't understand inodes quotas.
  • Immediate solution: get rid of cache
  • Talking of converting current filesystem.
  • Do we even need windows profiles?
    • it's useful for customization
  • eleen: does anyone know how to do this?
    • joydip and shivab are recruited to work on this issue.
  • Who has power to decide these kinds of issues?
    • We should check the consitution
    • Believe that technical issues at discretion of sm
    • Talk of electing a policy dude ...to know policy.
      • e-mail psb with policy questions

• COURSE ACCOUNTS

  • There is no current policy
    • We've never really done them
    • In practice we've done them for decal courses and groups that are recognized by departments
  • Who owns courses?
    • Instructor or head ta?
  • What about simultaneous classes?
    • e.g. two different lectures for calc 1a?
  • Issues
    • shivab: would this generate a lot more traffic?
      • not significantly
    • the biggest burden that this would create is more people asking for accounts.
    • a lot of courses change hands often,
    • at the beginning of the semester there would be chaos
      • e.g. new TAs wouldn't get the password from old TA.
      • jkit: Would we we want to reset passwords every semester anyway?
    • Devin: the one really annoying thing about course account is that stuff can get misleading because of old data.
  • shivab: why are departments running out of space and why are we taking up the slack??
  • devin: runs web server for professor
    • this server has to do with his professional stuff.
    • also does class accounts.
    • this prof only teaches every other semester.

NOT DONE EDITING!

other teachers come to talk

departments are vil because they charge a ton and give very little access

bureautcratic red tape up the wazoo

took a month to get permission

they have bugs in publishing server. not a straight server.

they are migrating everyone to courseweb, which is unacceptable because they already have a full website.

why not have a professor do it and stick it under their own individual account? b/c that would confuse other profs, students.

This will allow for a persistent place, shared space on alternative space.

Jkit; this would score us points.

devin: wouldn't immediately get us more funding?

but would get us mad kudos?

and b/c we'd have professors relyuing upon us it would be huge.

Eleen: policy changes?
jkit: would work the same as student gruops, with minor modifications as needed?

devin: definitely eligible uder curent account policy, aside from letters and numbers.

Don't create accounts for nonpersisten classes?

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Heller will be a social lounge.

geo motions to close phlee seconds

DEVIN says: OCF can get money by helping to run ASUC elections!