People present
* on BOD
mkendall
cardi *
stevklaw
sluo *
geo *
gordeon *
sle *
gcwong *
akit *
dmchan *
dritch
yury *
thanos *
kevintra*
abhi
Agenda budget computers licenses & server wii party/potluck nov 9 angel island nov 4 thanksgiving dinner nov 17 secret santa/jewish version of santa
sm R.A.P.E.S. account creation progress on windows login project groups surprise
call to order 7:14 PM
yury: It's 7:13 we can't start yet akit: omg The budget is whatever it is last week minus the office depot: 10 box paper 1000 paper clips and stapler The stapler is in the draw with staples
yury: Didn't we have a locked down stapler before?
akit: That one jammed a lot
We want to get lenovo computers $578.89 per computer We're going to try to not have to pay tax since we are a nonprofit group The tax is $41.86 per computer
yury motion for $550 per machine for 8 machines
akit: Is it free shipping sle?
sle: It says so
yury: I would like to stick to the $500 max from last semester
sluo: I say we should motion for full price and if we get tax off it's a bonus
yury: $40 x 8 is like another machine
sluo: No
yury: It's like half a machine We can spend the money on licenses or something
akit: Don't we have hardware failure and can't wait?
yury: We can replace the parts
sluo: We don't have enough motherboards
yury: Fine $600 per machine
akit: Second?
mkendall seconds
akit: All in favor?
Only mkendall is against
yury: Who's taking minutes? Do we have quorom?
13 BOD members present
akit: We're geting 15 licenses of MS Office Professional Plus and we want to get Windows server?
yury: Huh?
sle: We can only make one MS purchase per year It's 1 year from date of purchase The software will be covered by software assurance, We can get free upgrade within 2 years
Cost: $140 for windows server, terminal server, CALS $6-10 per seat
yury: If we can terminal server, we should get vista on the Lenovos, so we can use it right away
sle: Uhhh why? We can just run services
akit: Do you guys need more time to decide? Figure it out by next week
nov 4 angel island
sle: How are we going there?
akit: BART I have no idea where angel island is?
stevklaw: In the middle of the bay
akit: We are going to have a wii party/potluck. We should have another thanksgiving dinner We can either have a potluck or Chicken n Waffles
Secret Santa We put everyones name in hat, then you get time to figure out what to get that person or we can do a white elephant gift exchange
abhi walks in
akit: There will be a maximum and minimum price geo are you going to do the sm agenda?
geo: I'm not sm
sluo: You've been designated sm and since you've been sitting up front and eating our food...
geo: One of the concerns is that we need LDAP tools R.A.P.E.S. = Review Accounts Pending Email Script It will replace add'em all and email'em all I need more information from LDAP team
yury: You got anything done?
geo: No
akit: Someone needs to create accounts
yury: jchu
gordeon: I will
yury: He can create accounts?
gordeon: Yes
akit: How's the window login process?
geo: sue?
yury: We can just add printers on the server and expose those to clients They would just have to choose one of the printers which will control how many pages are printed, front/back etc.
sluo: If we want to run XP and Vista at same time we need to enable folder redirection by default
yury: Someone needs to do it
geo: sue?
gordeon: I don't want to do it
akit: Why dont you do it yury?
yury: Out of principle I'm really upset with people's desire to help
akit: You're not helping
yury: I fixed microup
akit: You're not helping users
sle: I'll remove you from staff
yury: So we'll remove people from staff who don't show up to hours How about we remove sluo who has missed 3 staff hours without cancelling
sluo: Fine with me
akit: Project groups?
project sheet handed around sluo motions to cardi
cardi: Oh? So jchu believes there is reasonable doubt that yury didn't download the files So the idea is, so we're going to bring up evidence again and if we get enough votes on bod, then we overrule jchu
yury: I believe it's GM decision first
cardi: So if it's overruled, the policy would be in effect and applied to yury
yury: I think it goes to GM first, to think if jchu made a mistake
sluo: It's dmp, there is no formal appeals policy
yury: I'm frankly tired of this
sluo: So are the rest of us
cardi: quick recap So jchu writes a really long essay
abhi: Does it have a thesis?
cardi: Yea it does So it's like a long law thing.
read jchu's email for his response
cardi: So yeah... the copyrighted files were on the disk and could have been recovered...and I'm not really sure what to say...
sluo: Some of the evidence is very large bandwidth spike around 10:30-11:30 PM oct 6 coming from the linux machines Process viewing shows rsget/rsfetch running. It is know that yury used those to download Battlestar Galatica before
sluo explains captcha
sluo: We saw the captcha cracker running We see files downloading Evidence from file system that files were downloaded, reassembled and encrypted There was a links file, historically used by the autodownload script as list of destination URLs to download The URLs point to Battlestar Galatica links on rapidshare
sle: Thefiles were named e10, e11, e12 and were 350 MB in size, which is about normal size of downloaded tv show The naming scheme suggests episodes
akit: Did you bring the evidence?
sluo: No... but if you want it, you can ask
cardi: So a few weeks ago at a general meeting we established a policy just in case this happened We don't police our users It's not out intention to be enforcers of copyright law, however we need to play by the rules. The argument was made that digital copyright is not valid in court, though we should play it on the safe side
sluo: The fundamentals of copyright are clear It is mostly the procedure of obtaining evidence in digital copyright cases that is unclear and how to proescute people who violate it
cardi: Why would we vote for policy if we don't enforce it?
akit: Did we put it into bylaws and send it to users?
sluo; No... but we have right to change policy at anytime
akit: What now?
cardi: So the SM chose to make decision and didn't follow procedure
yury: I think he did follow procedure. Are you questioning his procedure or his decision?
cardi: You're questioning semantics again
sluo: We are questioning the decisionn
akit: So what happens if we overrule the SM?
sluo; It is a warning for yury
akit: We're going to do timelimits on debate
cardi to sluo: Do you want to present the evidence? stevklaw wants to see it
sluo: Yea
yury to stevklaw: Do you think it's important?
akit: yury's turn to talk
yury: I will wait
stevklaw: I will wait to see the evidence
yury: This isn't about me getting a warning or not, it's about where OCF is going with the policy, it's about use chasing users. The evidence is all circumstantial There are not good grounds for the case There is reasonable doubt that I did anything illegal
I don't want to accuse anyone of being a facist but you guys are trying to push through a law and make up definitions as you go.
yury elegant rant about legal system
akit; Rebuttal?
sluo: Yes the evidence is circumstatinal but it is still evidence. There are links between the evidence
sluo reiterate arguments
akit: Are we actively looking for users?
sluo: No...
yury: That's funny... sluo, since you have a list of users who may be violating policy in your home directory
sluo: The users were noticed when we reenabled quotas. We are not searching for them
yury: The evidence is not strong against me and SM thought so as well They could have been anime for all you know You're accusing me of specific files
stevklaw: What would you say is not circumstanial evidence
yury: Some people think all evidence is circumstantial If they have a snapshot of rsget grabbing the actual link or having the actual files . They have no direct proof of what those files are, they're making an assumption
sle: I can respond to that, we have given him numerous chance to prove otherwise like decrypt the files, but he refused We have filesystem metadata that shows that there was a Battlestar Galatica episode AVI file that was deleted.
yury: When?
sle: Approximatedly the same times that the other evidence happened We can have root staffers confirm evidence
yury: I'm a root staff, I haven't seen the evidence
sle/yury argue
yury: I asked for the evidence yury to sluo: Did I request it?
sluo: Not at the time
pizza arrives sle/yury argue
akit: What do you have to say mkendall?
akit: Any other comments?
kevintra: BOD can overrule SM?
yury explains semantics of ocf
yury: Our faculty advisor, Brian Harvey, has been sorried for a while. He had a weak password
yury: We gave a lot of people root recently
mkendall: I didn't get root
yury: You're not 'a lot of people'
mkendall: You're right... if I got root I would just copy porn to all your home directories...
akit: geo how do you feel?
akit: Vote at 8
mkendall: guys... my black mage is really cute
sluo motions to overturn jchu's decision to not issue yury warning in this incident
yury: Can we make it more explicit?
sluo: A yes vote is to over turn decision and give yury warning A no vote is to not overturn decision and not give yury warning
sle seconds
dmchan: Can I get the title of Evil Head of Human Resources?
sluo: He wants the title with no responsibilities
akit: sure...
7 yes 4 no
yury gets first warning
yury: I am also leaving staff and BOD at this point I will put it in writing I think OCF has lost its way
akit: With that, who wants to be on BOD? abhi want to be on BOD?
abhi: sure?
sluo motion is to add abhi and dritch, remove yury
8 in favor 2 against, mkendall + someone else
mkendall: abhi is a wild character
sluo motion to remove mkendall from bod
geo motion to adjourn sluo second
Meeting adjourned sometime between 8:00 and 8:10 PM